“Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning.”
Frederick Douglass
Over the course of the Woolamaloo Gazette I have posted on a wide variety of subjects; sometimes on books, movies or simply the city of
Because of the holidays the disciplinary hearing was not held until yesterday, Wednesday 5th. I could not really talk about it here while the process was ongoing – I am now free to discuss what happened for the brutally simple reason that Waterstone’s dismissed me from my job yesterday. They took great exception to my mentioning of work on my blog. They said I had violated the rules and brought the company into disrepute. I think by their actions they have brought the
Anyone who has been a regular reader of the Gazette will know that I do occasionally mention my work life, although it accounts for a fraction of my written output. Like many folk I am not always happy at work (I have good days too, I don’t go in miserable all the time as I’m sure former colleagues would attest if they could) and me being me when I mention bad days or annoying occurrences I do so in my own satirical, sarcastic, comedic style. I often put many things into a basic narrative form, add characters etc. So I would coin terms such as ‘Bastardstone’s’ and have a character called ‘Evil Boss’ (my equivalent to Dilbert’s Pointy Haired Boss – in fact I compared head office directives to being in a Dilbert cartoon). I once referred to a chum and former colleague,
I pointed out that I had not set out to deliberately ruin the company’s image. In fact I don’t think I have even inadvertently; if I had wished to do that then I would have been running less satirical and far more biting comments on a rather more regular basis, rather than commenting from time to time about a bad day at work, a grumpy manager or the like. You’d think I had run a sustained propaganda campaign of subversion.
I pointed out that I did not let my annoyances get in the way of performing my duties at work (indeed no complaint was made about my work) and that, like many bloggers it was therapeutic to vent steam outside of work. I pointed out that I posted these comments in my OWN time, writing in my OWN home for my OWN blog. It’s not linked to any official Waterstone’s site and does not reflect their opinion but mine. The site clearly says (twice) on the header that it is SATIRICAL and that it is my ‘mumblings and rants’. I expressed my own OPINION in my own time, something I am legally entitled do (the European Convention on Human Rights, part of Scots Law since the devolved parliament was brought in expressly guarantees this right). I told them I felt they were violating my civil rights. I told them I have informed my MSP because of this.
Long before full universal suffrage in this country we still had stinging satire (recall those Punch cartoons among many others) – it is an accepted part of our culture and one of the ways individuals have to remind large organisations, be they companies or governments that we too have a voice and a right to use it. People have used satire, sarcasm and humour to make points for centuries. Today that freedom is enshrined in law.
I pointed out that I had over my eleven years promoted Waterstone’s in many ways, sometimes on my own time. I have organised and hosted more author events with more writers for the enjoyment of more book-buyers than I can recall. I have written for the guide books which Waterstone’s had printed on various genres. I have appeared in print media and broadcast, talking on the BBC in my own time about literature, introduced as an expert bookseller from Waterstone’s in
I asked why, if the company did not like me commenting about work on my blog they did not simply have the branch manager have a quiet word with me? Should that not have been the proper way to deal with this? I told the hearing that if this had been done I probably would have refrained to keep the peace. My union rep also brought up this point. We did not get a proper answer to this question. We asked how the blog (which is not exactly high profile) came to their attention and who lodged the complaint. They didn’t know. Enquiries were made during and adjournment. We asked again afterwards. We were told that they were not at liberty to tell us this. So I do not know who my accuser is, which seems rather unfair to me.
I pointed out once more that I was outraged that a company seemed to think it had the right to tell an employee what opinions they could articulate in their own time. I asked if I repeated some of the articles they found offensive in the blog to a friend in the pub would that not also be defaming the company by the logic they were employing here? I was not answered. I pointed out that this was like the Thought Police and invasive of my rights. I was told that if I discussed anything to do with work then I was representing the company and must conform to their rules. Obviously I dispute this strongly – this is like saying we have a new feudal system where companies are the lords and employees are mere serfs who they own. How can I possibly be considered to be representing the company on my own site in my own time? In fact do not most companies around the world have riders attached to their email saying explicitly that any comments within are not necessarily those of the company? So why do they assume I am talking for the company on my own site in my own time? That makes no sense to me.
I am not a serf; I am not an indentured servant. I am a free man with the right of freedom of expression. The company does not own me, body and soul – conforming to their rules at work is to be expected, but in your own time and space? How can anyone be expected to go through their personal life in fear of saying the wrong thing? No-one should.
This has left me dreadfully upset. That a company I have given so many years to could treat me in such a brutal manner is despicable. That a book company thinks so little of the primacy of freedom of expression is alarming. I pointed out that Waterstone’s has stated publicly several times in the past that as a bookseller they believe in the freedom of expression and not in censorship. In fact a campaign was mounted a few years back which had banners along the lines of ‘what did Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot have in common? They feared the power of the written word. Celebrate Freedom of expression with us.’ Some folks may recall it. I asked if this was actually meant or was it simply cynical marketing? I was not answered.
I have never been fired in my life until now. I have never even been unemployed – I worked my way through college (that’s when I began at Waterstone’s). Now I find myself having to urgently try and find work at short notice, I find myself worried about my financial security, my bills, my mortgage and how to get another job after eleven years of service and where that will be and when. I find myself having to consult with my union over what appeal or action we can now take against this company for their despicable, dishonourable actions.
Fortunately my family, my friends, fellow bloggers, fellow reviewers and writers have been offering me sympathy, advice and support. Times like this, they say, are where you find out who your friends are. Well, I have found out I have a lot of immensely good friends and they have lifted my spirits remarkably. I’m not alone.
And other bloggers and readers, new to this site, you too should pay some attention here because I’m not alone and these shameful actions affect more than just me. These actions have implications for everyone who blogs and works, which, let’s face it, would be thousands of us. If my rights to the freedom of expression can be ignored in this manner then so can the rights of any worker’s. You also have to ask yourself who is listening to you? Who is reading what you write and passing judgement? Is it acceptable for companies to be monitoring what their employees do in their own time? To act as if your employment contract controls every aspect of your personal life outside of work?
The free expression of opinions and thoughts is the most primal of our democratic rights. Our entire culture is based around it. The book trade could not exist without it. The internet would not exist without it. Blogs would not exist without it. Once upon a time a man was executed for translating the Bible into English – considered a dreadful heresy and, more importantly, a threat to the power and control of the authorities of the time. Eras change, but the notion of powerful groups trying to subvert the ability of others to communicate remains constant. That’s why we have laws and rights.
Freedom of speech, freedom of expression. These are not idle words. They are not some dusty old phrases liberals like to mention from time to time. They are as vital to our free, democratic way of life as water and air.
The word is already spreading beyond my family and friends. A lot of people are thinking about this and asking themselves if this is a company they want to deal with. That is not for me to say; it is for them to decide - but you should certainly be made aware of their actions when deciding.
There are more than I can properly thank here, but here are some of their writings on the subject already expressed: Ariel; Matthew; Lili; Nil Desperandum. Many more have emailed me. I really can't express my gratitude enough to you.
Labels: Bastardstone's, blogging, books, bookselling, Evil Boss, fired, Waterstone's
175 Comments:
Could you put your contract online pleae. I agree with you totally, on the condition that your contract has nothing on defamation or representation. If it does, then the company have every right to sack you. Signing a contract in the first place is agreeing to their terms and if you didnt like them they could have been negotiated or you could have found a job in a different bookseller. By signing you are agreeing to any of their 'laws' that are laid down in the contract. I'm sure you wouldnt argue if you were dismissed for a breach of confidentiality against contract clauses
Just for your information:
This issue is being discussed in the LiveJournal 'edinburgers' community, here: http://www.livejournal.com/community/edinburgers/516623.html(I am user 'wibbble' on LiveJournal.)
I won't comment more here, just thought that you might like to see some other discussion of what happened to you.
As the Japanese would say...
"So-des-neh!" (translator: Oh i see!)
I understand now Joe...
The repurcussions of your deeds seem to be more severe than mine...then again i wouldnt know...who knows the police would be waitin for me the day i fly off to Melbourne?
:-(
I've posted links to this story and Ariel's commentary on it to DiverseBooks.com
My ex partner has been a book seller for a number of years and I am dismayed at the whole industry's poor treatment of staff.
Alex McLintock
Does your Union rep not recommend taking this to tribunal?
This cannot be right.
Have you seen this http://morrisons-employee.blogspot.com/
Morrisons will be sacking half of the workforce!
I'm just baffled and amazed at the stupidity of Waterstones and its management at times. This seems the biggest over-reaction and quite possibly the totally wrong thing to do.
Manager thought process:
1. Hrm, employee not always happy at work. He vents onto the internet VERY INFREQUENTLY.
tick, tick, tick
2. I know! Lets sack him!
I really hope you fight this tooth and nail Joe, not to get your job back but just to show what a mindless, bunch of narrow-minded morons they really are. You have mu support and thoughts.
Fight the power!
This is quite shocking. I am amazed that Waterstone's have behaved in such a fashion. I will certainly advise that our organisation take our purchasing elsewhere. Good fortune to you, Lestat!
Yours,
A major healthcare organisation.
Is that Waterstone's in Princess Street? I go there on Saturdays, browse through the books, read the paper with cup of coffee upstairs... But after reading your story, I'll probably find a better place - one that treats its employees with more respect than Waterstone's.
Good luck to you!
I am sorry to hear about all this. I used to work for Barnes and Noble in the U.S. and it was a constant source of blog fodder. I guess I was lucky. Hang in there!
Kristin
http://www.justkristin.com
best of luck to you.
hopefully this will turn into one of those incidents where later one thinks "that was the best thing that ever happened to me". obviously waterstone operates from fear - fear others will find the company is not so magnanamous as they believe. you, on the other hand, sound like you operate out of love of literature. in my life experience, love triumphs over fear every time.
warm regards
I feel your pain. I got fired from Made For Idiots for... well... refering to them using that name on a website of mine. Instant dismissal for 'Gross Misconduct'. I'd been desperately unhappy there for a few years. I was glad to be rid of them. Thankfully, I went on to find a much better job, paying a heck of a lot more.
One door slams shut in your face... another opens.
These days, it is best to keep your offline identity a secret. I've heard that HR people are now Googling people to see what they have posted online before hiring or moving forward with them. Another example - if you don't hide your real identity and you have any intention to run for a political office in the future, don't be surprised when something you said in a huff or that was meant to be taken humorously, is twisted against you.
Sad state of the world, but that's the way it is. Better safe (and anonymous) than sorry down the line...
Hi. You have hit big time - cory @ boingboing has just featured you http://boingboing.net/. IMO/from what I have read, if Waterstone's do not have an internal employee policy on information disclosure and/or blogging then they don't have a leg to stand on. Make sure you contest this - the days of closed companies are over, and those that try to cling onto the past are dead.
Was pointed towards your blog by BoingBoing. Is there anything specific that we** can do to help? A swarm of emails pointing out the irony/hypocracy in Waterstones' behaviour ... ?
** by 'we' i guess i mean the loose gaggle of peoples who enjoy weblogs, value greatly our freedoms to express/dissent, seek to recognise and reverse injustices and blah blah blah.....
best wishes, peter.
Perth, Western Australia
I agree with the above poster.Some kind of campaign or something 'we the people' can do would be cool.
To be able to show Waterstones how stupid and wrong they were in making this decision.
I work in retail too and often post about bad days at work,bad choices made by the staff.
You have my support.
IMHO Waterstones have harmed their business much more by sacking you than you ever did by the comments in your blog.
I second those posters that say this is the push that the universe has been trying to give you for a while; the tunnel you find yourself in is scary, and I appreciate that the emotions of anger, betrayal and injustice are very real, as well as the fear and insecurity of income. But trust where this is taking you. The light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train, I promise.
I've been there, and was lucky enough to have insight into myself that these were the nudgings and shovings to put me on a path of my own making. Strap on to the roller coaster, it's gonna be scary, but FUN.
For sure you're getting loads of unsolicited advice, so excuse this piece: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi has written loads about this, around the topic of "flow", so it might be helpful to borrow his lens for a while.
And channel your energy into creating a positive future for yourself, rather than channeling it against your ex-employer; karma will run over their dogma soon enough :)
simon in cape town
www.ideafarm.co.za
Feed their words back to them. Make a sign:
‘What did Waterstone, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot have in common?' and spend an afternoon with it in front of every store you can find. You'll get press coverage and maybe embarass your former employer enough to hire you back.
Bill from the other side of the pond.
"IMHO Waterstones have harmed their business much more by sacking you than you ever did by the comments in your blog."
I agree.
Badmouthing your employers on your own web site is the same as writing a letter to your boss telling him you think the company you work for is shit. You might moan to your peers in the pub about what happened with your boss that day but you wouldn't do it to his face. No sane person would do that yet you seem to think that what you did was different because it was on a publicly viewable blog! I hate to bring you back to reality but what you did was frankly daft. Learn from your mistake rather than trying to justify it.
How about slipping a note with a link to this posting into every copy of every book about blogging that Waterstones sells?
Just a thought...
I am very saddened to hear what happened, and also very shocked that a huge, respected company would be so stupid in dealing with a few personal comments. It is saddening to see such a brutal and unnesserary kneejerk reaction; like you said, if they were -really- concerned with you expressing your thoughts, they could have had the branch manager have a talk with you. Instead, they have done themselves more damage than if you had spent 11 years deliberately slamming the company. I hope that things work out well for you.
Joe: Check out www.dooce.com. This gal was fired from her job for the very same reason: comments made on her own personal website. It must be because blogs are powerful.
Absurd over-reaction. You don't sack people for that(and certainly not long-term employees) - you have a quiet word in their ear. Sorry for your troubles.
Be of good cheer Master Ridley
Good luck and bad cess to them.
I worked for four and a half years as a bookseller at Barnes & Noble (probably the US equivalent of Waterstone's) and was repeatedly chastised for what I had written in my blog (http://blowout.blogspot.com/). It took a great deal of effort on my part--as well as having a manager who understood freedom of expression--to keep me out of trouble. Barnes & Noble, incidentally, does not have a union; if you get called on the carpet, it's All of Them vs. You.
I was always the rogue spirit at the store, but I was also one of the best workers. I was consistently their first- or second-best seller of their customer discount card (where for $25, you get 10% off your purchases for a year). However, when the old manager left and they went through one manager in less than a year, they promoted one of the assistant managers to the position.
Suddenly, she totally changed.
B&N has a three-write-ups-and-you're-fired policy (which I think is silly, given that there's no statute of limitations on write-ups). Before this third manager, I had one write-up: I had overslept one day by two hours. Not intentional, but certainly worthy of a write-up. However, this new manager wrote me up because I carried a Swiss Army knife (which I've had since I was a Boy Scout), calling it "a weapon". Bah! Very well; I stopped carrying it. She harped on me every chance she got, perhaps singling me out because I didn't follow the Company's idea of an employee, grateful and subservient and without any opinions except those that the Company allowed.
Ultimately, I was fired. Whilst helping *three people at once*, a lady came up to me and asked agitatedly, "Can someone help me?" To which I responded jocularly, "Oh no, we don't help people any more, ma'am; it's not cost effective!" Everyone laughed. Then I said, "Just kidding, ma'am! Let me call someone." I picked up the phone and paged help up front. The manager thought this was a major problem and claimed a complaint had been lodged. However, I'm 90% sure the lady laughed with the others, so I think the manager was looking for a reason to fire me.
Don't worry about losing your job there. What I realized after losing mine was that places like Barnes & Noble and Waterstone don't appreciate their employees at all; to them, you're just an animal with a name-badge on.
Go get a job with their competitor, or better yet, start your own bookstore. If you need an extra employee, track me down via my current weblog (http://obnoxio.us/) and maybe I'll move to the UK and help you.
To: onlineenquiries@waterstones.co.uk
Subject: Your (former) employee Joe @ Woolamaoo Gazette
I've been very saddened to hear about your sacking of a dedicated employee over humorous & satirical comments he posted in his personal weblog regarding Waterstones. I prefer to shop at companies that have a sense of humor (and humanity) and as such will no longer be shopping at Waterstones.
Very disappointing.
James
The following was posted on Brad DeLong's site:It almost makes one wish there were laws governing employment in the United States.
Well, there are some. They just do not work as a rule, and when people try to get them to do so often end up with the former employee now the current unemployable.
If people aren't free to criticize an employer off the job, Dennis, hasn't the employer in effect pre-empted their right to speak?
Where does it stop? Does having a Kerry bumpersticker amount to a firing offense? It did in one case we know of. Did you know that some companies refuse to employ people who aren't fundamentalists? Losing one's enthusiasm for Christianity can be a firing offense.
The Unites States' employment policy is completely insane.
Charles Utwater II
The Guardian had a good article Sunday about the erosion of employment security at the bottom end of the scale in the UK. That's how it started in the US, with agricultural and domestic employees denied basic rights; some states also had anti-union rules. The erosion was slow but one-directional. Beware, and defend the poorer before you become them.
I'd be surprised if a company of Waterstone's size didn't have an internal appeal procedure, which you don't mention- you should use it if it does. Assuming though that it doesn't so that the dismissal decision is final, you have statutory rights. See the ACAS advice at http://www.acas.org.uk/rights/discipline.html and the DTI advice at http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/individual/fair-pl714.htm for an introduction. Thus you have the right to a written statement of the reasons for your dismissal and also, of course, to complain of unfair dismissal. You need legal or similar specialist advice. As you are in Edinburgh you have a good choice of specialist solicitors, or the CAB which has access to the Faculty of Advocates Free Representation Unit, although as you are a union member that is probably your best starting point- ask them if they offer free representation, most will.
Bear in mind that if the remedy you are seeking from the Employment Tribunal is reinstatement, you may be prejudicing your chances of this if you run a press/online campaign as it may be said that this would make reinstatement impractical, restricting you to financial claims. Suggestions like the "swarm of emails" are very dangerous! Take legal advice before you go that way.
Like your blog- but please, grey/green on grey/green isn't easy for all of us to read!
Good luck and best wishes.
Wow, I always knew this was possible. I wish you the best of luck and if you don't mind am posting a link from my blog.
-bear
I'm really sorry that this has happened to you and I hope you find something good out of it eventually. As an avid reader I have spent good money at Waterstone's in the past. You can be sure I won't anymore.
to R.D. above - I'm not sure what you mean by Barnes and Noble 'doesn't have a union'. Unions are organisations of employees, not employers. I'm sure there's one (or several) unions that would cover the book trade, which you could have joined. Or do you mean that B&N have some kind of company policy, or contract stipulation, against union membership? In that case, I'd refuse to work for them - union membership ought to be a basic right of employment (and one you should certainly exercise in any job).
For the record, you'll probably getting even more visitors on here now that Neil Gaiman has linked to this on his blog.
The whole situation is ridiculous. I don't want to be the one who flies off the handle and starts screaming about 1984, but I can't help thinking- why is it ANY of their business what you do in your own time?
Anyway. My condolences; I've always thought that Waterstones were a pretty good book chain, and I've definitely liked the Edinburgh ones when I've visited them. Which makes it even more bizarre that this could have happened to you.
FYI, this post is now also listed in Neil Gaiman's journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/officialgaiman/169248.html
You could post the address of the store and/or Waterstone's HQ so sympathizers can send in their support for your case.
Best of luck.
--Psyche
Toronto, Canada
http://www.spiralnature.com
Hiya. Your story's spreading - I found you via Neil Gaiman's blog...
I doubt Waterstones are in the right over this, but I also doubt they'll back down without making life even worse for you. FWIW, I'll make sure I ask for you by name whenever I'm in an Edinburgh branch; if it's yours, it'll make 'em kick themselves. If not, I lose nothing :)
Best of luck,
Jenny (puddingcat on LJ)
Reall sorry to hear that Waterstone's have treated you so unfairly. I hope a rival book company sees this and realises what an asset you would be to them and hires you on the spot! also as others have mentioned Neil Gaiman said lovely things about you in his blog! Silver Lining? Hope everything works out okay for you, :)
I was pointed this way from Neil Gaiman's journal. I am terribly sorry for you losing your job for something you did on your own free time. One would think that if everything we did off the clock reflected back on the company one would be paid for our time, wouldn't you?
I'm not from the UK, but I certainly won't be buying any books from them if I get the chance.
This state of affairs is ludicrous, to say the least. Neil Gaiman's blog pointed me this way, and what you write makes my jaw drop. I don't understand how any company could treat their employess that way. You have my deepest sympathies (for what they're worth). You also have my assurance, for what it's worth, that I will never buy anything at Waterstone's ever again.
I'm appalled at the way Waterstones has treated you, and will now be doing my book purchasing elsewhere! Best wishes, and I hope your dark days brighten soon.
How ridiculous. I wonder if they considered how much worse a story like this spreading on the net would be for their reputation - world-wide, I might add - than a few funny comments in a blog?
Good luck to you.
kate,
melbourne
You've made the big time, as I was directed here by Neil Gaiman.
Good luck to you!
I writing from Brasil.
Well, one thing is certain... if they though you were destroying the comapy's name, than they should have thought about what fiering a good employee would do to them. I never heard Of them down here in south america, and the first thing i know about them is that they feel entitled to monitor those who work for them outside the work-time. Despite what the contract may say, I'm am sure they know "1984". I know that next time i go there i won't think twice: I'm not one to be their customer.
So, looks like a bunch of folks are writing to/ no longer reading books from a big ol' book company.
Congratulations.
By the way, don't go and work for them again. You are a smart guy and obviously have a lot of repect. They, on the other hand, don't know a good thing when it's sitting in their lap.
Paul
(sherbetsaucers on LJ)
Well, I suppose that's "business." But that doesn't make it any less outrageous or disheartening.
For what it's worth, if you wanted to tackle this the "American" way, you should take your story to the media. (From reading some of the previous comments, it seems like that may happen regardless.) If Waterstone were worried about being brought into disrepute, just wait until the media gets a hold of it.
In any case, I truly wish you the best. And I will be keeping any eye on your blog.
Nolan in Michigan
(also a bookstore employee)
Hey get the union movement involved in your campaign for freedom of thought.
This is a classic struggle for working people to maintain their independence and integrity.
In our own time we do what we want - not what the boss wants.
A good organised unionised workplace would ne'er allow this to happen - again.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the way of things when working for large corporations. Walmart is one of the worst for it. My fiance works there, in the pharmacy, and has been called on the carpet twice for expressing a need for more help. (They lost a pharmacist more than six months ago and haven't yet replaced him, despite the fact that the volume of prescriptions is far too much for two pharmacists to handle alone.) In both cases, he was complaining or agreeing with the complaints of his fellow staff, not in front of customers.
I, myself, have worked at Barnes and Noble, and noticed much the same thing. Any attempt at individuality or expression is immediately stifled.
Well I too came over here from Neil Gaimans site. It sounded like YOU were just about the only reason he did any readings or signings at that store. I would imagine that Neil is a pretty big draw. I guess they won't have to be bothered with all those people in their store wanting to buy books from them so much. So sorry to hear about this, it's an ongoing problem here in the States too. Large companies completely missing the point and simply making their problems worse by being so heavy handed about it all. I wish you the best because you sound like the exact sort of person I HOPE to find in a bookstore.
I'll be boycotting Waterstone's in Edinburgh from now on. No real reason to shop there. I can always sit in the Starbucks and read.
~evil grin~
No, honestly, this is a tragedy.
perceval on LJ
Another one of Mr. Gaiman's blog readers.
I know you're not alone - other people have been fired for their blogs, Dooce is one http://www.dooce.com/. Then you have the story of a fellow LJ user who had the secret service knocking on her door (USA) because one of the readers of her obviously sarcastic post, decided she seriously wanted to kill the President. No, I'm not making it up.
Your case is even more on the twisted. You worked at a bookstore. I used to have this idiotic romantic notion that it would be an enviroment that would nurture and not squash creative output.
I hope things work out for you - could be the best thing that ever happened to you. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
woah, that is outrageous. I really hope you are getting a job with a company that can stand employees writing about them in their blogs. What a bunch of... *censored*
I agree with others, take it to the press. This is too strange and weird not to.
It must do you good that you have such a great writer as Neil Gaiman supporting you. I hope thanks to his blog post more writers stand up for you.
Another Gaiman reader here (link to his post). What's happening to you is, unfortunately, a common issue in today's BigCo-ruled world. You should call your union and sue them, UK is still Europe after all (don't laugh, it's true, in the "US way of life" you wouldn't stand a chance), and you might end up with a decent sum, judges are (strangely) quite leftist these days. We don't have to accept this sorry state of things, in Europe there are rules and laws, and every time we choose not to use them, they end up being forgotten a little bit more.
Man, that's harsh. Waterstones ought to be ashamed of themselves. I, for one, will no longer darken one of their shops. (Got here via Neil Gaiman's blog.)
Adrian.
Got here via Gaiman also, although I've read your blog in the past. Being Edinburgh-based myself, I'll be popping along to the store sometime over the next few days and asking to have a quiet word with the manager, just to point out that reading your blog has actually encouraged me to shop @WS in the past. I agree with some of the previous posters, though - don't got back to work for these idiots. Just sue 'em, and get another job. Hang in there, it'll happen.
Like so many others i was sent here via Neil. I think what happened to you is truly horrible. I am a nurse in the states and have found on several occasions that what you do in your private life is often "reflective of the company" I worked at one clinic that did not like the staff to gather at a bar after work wearing our scrubs, for fear some patient would think we were all raging alcholics.
Medicine is a cynical sarcastic group of people....well except its managers. Dont feel bad, I was once fired being "sarcastic". I tried to explain that I just wasnt a slapstick kind of girl. Leaving there was the best thing that ever happened to me. I found while I missed my coworkers, I did not miss the "management" of BIG BROTHERS. It is amazing sometimes how stress can build silently over time.
I have a better job now that dosent impose silly rules and fully understands the healing power of sarcasm.
I wish you the best, and I must admit, I wish Waterstones was attached to a US bookseller that i could Ban. There is a reason the FIRST admendment is FIRST.
With prayers,
Em
Got here via neil gaimans blog. Just posting to say that you have my sympathies, I can't see how this is anything other that a violation of your human rights to free expression. I suggest that you talk to a solicitor of scottish law (VASTLY cheeper than English law handily) about a possible case for unfair dismissal, I know naf all about scottish law sadly but it can't hurt. I'd also suggest that you go to a paper with the story, It's solid human interest, as the webs reaction has shown (go to the solicitor first though).
Matt (lowkeyknight on lj)
Also here via Neil Gaiman.
Sorry to hear that you've been treated in this underhand, shoddy way. I'm Glasgow based, but have often been through to Edinburgh for signings in Waterstones. I won't be making the trip again and I'll be boycotting Waterstones in Glasgow as well.
I agree with the commenters who suggest that you seek legal advice before you seek any other form of action (involving the press, etc). Your union should be able to point you in the right direction and quite possibly have a fund for this kind of thing. Best of luck to you - I'll be following your story.
Hopefully your story will have a happier outcome than a lot of the US-based bloggers who've been dooced, our employment rights (mostly thanks to Europe) are better protected in the UK.
Claire
http://blog.hobbits.org.uk/
I won't bother mentioning that I'm here via Neil's website.
That's truly horrid, what this company did to you. Though, to be honest, I'm kind of surprised it didn't happen to someone in America first, given the state of my country.
But I digress.
All the best in the world, mate. Sounds like you've got a helluva support system around you, not to mention the good wishes from many, many people whom you've never met. What more could one ask for?
Er...other than a new job, that is.
I'm pretty sure that with your level of experience, you'll have something new lined up in no time.
Take care.
another random message of support from another person who found out about this by reading the livejournal RSS feed of mr. gaiman's blog.
it's pretty much all been said, so i'll just quote those cards that amnesty international likes to have people sign, then mails oodles of to political prisoners:
we know you are there. do not give up hope.
signed,
d_e_l_i_r_i_u_m of livejournal
I used to work at Wateryshite's head office and I can confirm that they are a paranoid time serving bunch of servile obsequious non literary arse lickers with no more interested in running a chain of book stores than they have in protecting liberty and free speech.
F R E E T H E W A T E R S T O N E ' S O N E ! ! !
The comment posted at 8.12pm last night is the way to go if you want to get your job back.
Your union should back you if you are in the right. Don't go over the top right now. Be reasonable - although sadly the fact you've written about this in your blog may have - ironically - compounded the problem. Sorry............
Good luck.
i got here from Neil Gaiman's site too.
i too will boycott them.
it seems to be adding up.
You have my sympathy and support. I too will be avoiding Waterstones like the plague. More visits to Transreal in the Grassmarket, I feel.
I have emailed my local store to inform them of my decision to boycott and the reasons for it. As a former bookshop employee (I got out to get a properly paid job) I know the amount of work which goes into it and as a result doubt you will have much trouble finding work elsewhere.
Good luck
good luck, Waterstones seem totally out of order to me. Take your ten + years of experience elsewhere, sure you'll be able to get another job soon.
have emailed this link to www.theregister.co.uk, they have said they will be covering the story shortly.
I got here origonally via a friends livejournal btw
Once again, I came here via Neil's Journal.
I for one will be boycotting Waterstones from now on. As the manager of a bookshop if a member of staff wanted to take the Michael online, I would not mind provided I had the right to reply.
Best wishes,
Gordon Munden.
Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.
- Frank Zappa
Another Gaimanite here (we are legion, as I'm sure you well know). Just wanted to say best of luck in either suing Waterstone's pants off or getting a new, better job with a new, better employer. I will be travelling to the UK later this year, and while it may not be much, I won't be satiating my book-habit with your fomer employer, either. Take care! ~Nikki (www.alendalux.com)
Another who is linking through Neil. I'm shocked and disgusted. I will be boycotting Waterstones. I hope you get to go to a tribunal (most of which get settled out of court by the way). - Viv.
Just to let you know your story has made it to the BBC's website, it's on h2g2. It really sucks whats happened and you have my full sympathy. I'm just hoping my workplace never reads anything I post on the internet about them
All the best
I was disgusted to hear the news about the over-reaction of Waterstones. I can only offer my support in your appeal and vote with my wallet and cease to purchase from Waterstones Shops. There seems to be little room for "people" in our new corporate world.
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by Waterstones. Sadly I thought that Waterstones was one of the better chains (certainly a lot better than WH Smith), who were passionate about books and the exchange of intellect, evidently some of the managers are just in the business to make money, and treat those who really are customer-facing (i.e. you), like a sack of dreck.
Shameful, shameful. I don't know if I'll provide Waterstones with my hard-earned dosh anymore.
Another who followed the link in Neil Gaiman's blog. I am absolutely stunned at the behaviour of Waterstones.
To those few commenters who basically said 'you should know better than to badmouth your employer' - I doubt that the blog entries in question amounted to anything particularly vile, if he's put in eleven years of dedicated work & service to the company and most importantly to the bookbuying public. Letting off steam for little frustrations is not a sackable matter!
Waterstones have totally shot themselves in the foot. Once the wider media gets on to this, it will have an impact - a sizeable majority of customers must care about freedom of expression. I can't physically boycott them because I work in an indie bookshop and so haven't purchased anything in Waterstones for many years - but I will nevertheless be writing to them as a former customer to express concern.
Good luck with your appeal & taking them down for unfair dismissal.
What a thunderous load of horse crap. The notion that you deserve to be fired for spoofing your company in your blog. Good luck to you, and I hope you land on your feet. It sounds like you've got a lot of folks on your side.
Steve Vernon
Nova Scotia
(outspoken at the best of times)
One final comment, before I adjourn to my own side of the ocean. If folks are truly pissed off over Waterstone's outrageous behaviour, they ought to show their disapproval with some sort of mass demonstration. Boycots are fine, but are hard to notice. I recommend that you folks organize a mass demonstration. Show up one morning enmasse, each protestor armed with a small hardcover diary, in which they have previously written their thoughts on the matter, or perhaps they can take some time as part of the demonstration to write some more thoughts on the case. The media would definitely have to be invited and you'd want to make sure you timed it to occur on a morning the authority figure in question was on the premises. Dump the books at his feet, voice your protest, pass out informative flyers to unknowing customers, show those rotten dogs what freedom of speech really sounds like, and leave them wishing for the days of whispering blogs, and snide comments.
That's my two bits.
Toodleloo.
Yours in horror,
Steve Vernon
I read an article about your situation on The Register today and was compelled to read on.
I have forwarded your story on to BBC News in the hope that they can add further publicity to your plight.
Good luck!
It's a shame that these things happen. With your experience, you should be able to create your own employment soon.
It seems that you meant no harm and there was a misunderstanding somewhere.
However, we are not all Ghandi and civil rights does not extend to saying anything you want whenever you want. Freedom of expression also requires we keep an eye on responsibility.
Too often many people today feel that free expression is whatever they say of feel at the moment without consequence. (I'm not saying you feel this way -- you obviously have a conscience.)
Ironically, many of the free expression people are the ones banning thought via hate crime legislation, etc. Free expression to many is a tirade of feelings without the consequence. It doesn't work that way. A company owns their image, etc. and they do have a right to what they expect.
I went through a similar thing and had it with companies so I created my own businesses so I could say what I want -- do what I want. Of course, I am also now having to watch the image of my own and my clients. So there is always responsibility with free speech and not "anything goes."
Be careful with and responsible and you will find it works out.
Good luck to you!
I think you should find a publisher and write a book... THAT would be the ultimate irony when they have to stock it!
Piss poor management skills, and the work of cowards. I do hope you find something where they value integrity and honesty. Good luck in the job hunt.
Needless to say, I'm taking my business elsewhere.
Paula x
I used to be a book dept manager (for John Menzies) and although I've been in IT for the past 10 years, I often miss it. Working in a literary environment can be a lot of fun.
I remember when Waterstones was an independent book store, now it seems to be run by 'suits'. I have to echo the suggestions already made: Get compensation; get another job. I wouldn't crawl back to a company that sacks staff without any warning. Especially a company that claims to be in favour of freedom of speech and expression.
That said, there is a cautionary tale here: be careful what you say online. Big Brother is watching. And you may well have been a little too free 'n' easy with the written word when it is your employer you are taking the pish out of. :-(
I for one won't be buying from Waterstones again. (I'm anal like that.)
All the best for the future. I'll be keeping an eye on your blog ...
Just heard about this from Willie Meikle on alt.books.ghost-fiction - I've been a regular browser in the Princes street Waterson's since it opened, and I'll certainly be taking my business elsewhere unless and until this situation is rectified.
As should be becoming painfully obvious to Watersons by now, sacking you without a warning has brought their business a worse rep with more people than your blog ever could have.
Doug, Edinburgh
Like many people who have left comments here i have come from the Neil Gaiman site, which is slightly ironic because i bought my first Sandman graphic novel (signed by the way) from the Edinburgh Waterston’s. Buying that book probably got me into Neil Gaiman's writing so i felt it only proper to leave a comment here as you where probably the person who set up the signing. I'm glad that writers like Neil are putting a spotlight on this situation, because with out the writer's where would Waterston’s be?
I am a frequent visitor to Waterston’s and if i'm in a city that has one i pay them a visit, and more often than not spend a small fortune while i'm there. Every Waterston’s i've been to have some of the friendliest and knowledgeable staff i've known for a big name chain store and to think that they treat them (their biggest asset) this way is sickening. They have just